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Subject:proper nouns
Time:08:41 pm
How in blazes do you tell which declension a proper noun is in? Does Etrusca go first declension?
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pauamma
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Time:2011-05-20 01:49 pm (UTC)
A quick Google search for "etruscam", "etruscae", and "etruscarum" shows that it appears to follow that declension indeed. (Also, it shows that the Corpus Inscriptionum Etruscarum has a Facebook page. I'm not sure what to make of that.
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evilstorm
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Time:2011-05-20 02:34 pm (UTC)
Thank you, I couldn't seem to get coherent Latin results for some reason. I'm not sure what to make of that either.
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sollersuk
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Time:2011-05-20 01:52 pm (UTC)
As above; and generally you go by the ending - thus Catilina is the same declension (cf "In Catilinam").
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evilstorm
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Time:2011-05-20 02:43 pm (UTC)
Thanks. So -us/-um/-er/-ir would be second? How do you tell if something is third, if any of them are (thinking of confusion with -a)?
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ioanna_ioannina
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Time:2011-05-20 02:56 pm (UTC)
You always have to look at nominative and genitive.
-a, gen. -ae -- I. decl. (femina, -ae)

-us, gen. -i -- II. decl. (servus, -i)
-er, gen. -eri or -ri -- II. decl. (pue, -eri; minister, -stri)
vir, -i m. -- II. decl.
-um, gen. -i -- II. decl. neutrum (verbum, -i)

sg. quite anything, but gen. -is - III. decl. (victor, -oris)
parisyllabum like civis, -is or when it has two consonants before the ending -- III. decl. with -ium in gen. pl. (civis, -is)
mar-E, anim-AL, exempl-AR, gen. -is -- III. decl. neutrum with -i in abl. sg., -ia in nom., acc. and voc. pl., and -ium in gen. pl.

-us, gen. -us -- IV. decl. (exercitus, -us)
-u, gen. - us -- IV. decl. neutrum (cornu, -us)

-es, gen. -ei -- V. decl. (res, -ei)

It is recommended to memorize the paradigms, the words listed above are used for it.
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evilstorm
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Time:2011-05-21 04:07 am (UTC)
I'm aware of that pattern, but one often runs into proper nouns in the nominative. I was wondering how to figure out the declension from that, if possible.
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ioanna_ioannina
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Time:2011-05-21 10:30 am (UTC)
Ah, I see, sorry, I misunderstood you.
No certain way I know of, there. I´m copying with it by a) memorizing plenty of words (around 10 000), b) having a good dictionary.
You can guess quite well, if the ending is like -o (gen. will be - onis, III. decl.), or -ns (it´s participium praesentis) or something else clear like this. But if the ending is -us, it can be servus (II. decl.), corpus,-oris, n. (III. decl.) or exercitus, - us (IV. decl.)... for -a it can be femina or any neutrum in plural... etc.
For me, the best way is to know by heart a few thousand of verbs (verba) and suffixes for creating new words, then it tells itself in cca 90 % cases.
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evilstorm
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Time:2011-05-22 02:07 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I figure that memorization and a good dictionary will have to do. Those are good tips, thanks!
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sollersuk
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Time:2011-05-20 03:01 pm (UTC)
Verres is fifth declension; I can't think off the top of my head of any third declension names, but anything ending in -is would belong to it
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cnoocy
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Time:2011-05-20 02:41 pm (UTC)
Sufficiently notable proper nouns will also appear in a sufficiently comprehensive dictionary.
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evilstorm
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Time:2011-05-20 02:44 pm (UTC)
Right. I need to get me one of those, I've been relying heavily on wiktionary for the most part. Thank you.
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cnoocy
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Time:2011-05-20 02:59 pm (UTC)
One very extensive free online one is the Lewis & Short at Perseus: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/resolveform?lang=Latin

Though I certainly encourage the purchase of a paper one as well.
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evilstorm
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Time:2011-05-21 04:07 am (UTC)
Ah, excellent! Thank you.
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succubus_esq
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Time:2011-05-21 07:57 am (UTC)
This one is fantastic. It's cheap, and has lasted me up to the MA level - you really only need the big dictionaries for deep textual analysis.

I have never spent a better ten dollars.
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evilstorm
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Time:2011-05-22 02:07 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the rec!
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