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Time:09:12 pm

Hello!

So this semester, while my fifth semester of Latin, is my first time dealing with Poetry. We are focusing on Translating Book II of the Aeneid. 

Every night, when I am dong homework, I end up staring blankly at the pages, trying to figure out how to scan it. 

I normally just wait til I can ask in class for help with certain lines, but I have a test next class so that is not an option. So ANY help with scansion would be amazing!

Here are the lines that are giving me trouble.  These are all Book II

D= Dactyl; S=Spondee; ...=Elision

Line 182: improvisi aderunt. Ita digerit omnia Calchas. 

My Attempt: Impro | vi si...ad | erunt | Ita | Digerit | omnia | Calchas. So it would be: S S S S D D S

But as you can see, that's seven.... but I can't figure out where I am wrong.     

Line 187 and Line 193, I think I might get it, but I need to know. Is Moenia, 4 syllables: Mo E Ni A, or 3: Moe Ni A. Cause I am taking it as four, but I think it's only three and that's messing up my meter. (if that is not the case then something else is messing it up, and I'll post the lines. But I think it's that.)

And finally

Line 197: Quos neque Tydides Ned Larisaeus Achilles.

My attempt: Quos neque | Ty | dides | nec La | ri sa| eus A| chilles. So it would be: D Random Syllable S S S D S
Though, I think this line might be Spondaic? Cause the A being long by position, however, it's a Greek name, so I think that rule may not apply...

UGH I DON'T KNOW.

This stuff kills me

Help is much appreciated!!!
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lysimache
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Time:2011-09-15 01:56 am (UTC)
improvisi aderunt. Ita digerit omnia Calchas

im pro | vi s(i) a de | runt i ta | di ge rit | om ni a | Cal chas

S D D D D S

The -e- of aderunt is short. Why did you scan it long?

moenia is three syllables. oe is a diphthong (along with ae and au).


Quos neque Tydides nec Larissaeus Achilles

quos ne que | Ty di | des nec | La ris | sae us Ach | il les

DSSSDS: definitely not a spondaic line

The a of Achilles is not long by nature or position. h does not 'count' as a consonant. Ignore it totally, in everything, as though it weren't there.

*note: I fixed "Ned" to "nec" and "Larisaeus" to "Larissaeus"
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hakkai_duo
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Time:2011-09-15 02:09 am (UTC)
Oh, Oh thank you!!!

I honestly don't know why I made the E long... call it a fit of insanity. I guess because I thought the s(i) a, was long for some reason (and the unt was long as well, sooo the E had to be long in my mind). But I see my mistake.

Yea, the moenia kept throwing me off because my instinct is to pronounce it Mo E Ni A (which I realize now is wrong, but it's a habit from when I learned Japanese and it keeps getting mixed into my Latin) the lines scan fine now.

Annd that stupid H keeps throwing me off as well. I always forget to elide it. Alright, I get it now.

Thank you so much for your help!! I am still really new to this and it is not clicking for some reason.
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